The Nigel Kerner interview
Nigel Kerner is definitively the most original author writing about the extraterrestrial intrusion phenomenon. Uniquely he offers an insight into the Grey alien agenda with humanity based upon an understanding of the existential base on which we and they exist. He suggests that the best way to understand their seemingly bizarre behaviour is to define exactly who they are, what they are and most importantly how they came to be. After exploring these questions he then takes a fresh look at witness reports of extra-terrestrial intrusion in the light of new discoveries at the cutting edge of scientific research, particularly in the fields of genetics and quantum physics.
Kerner was also the first author to make a clear connection between the Archons from the Gnostic Texts of the Nag Hammadi codex and the Greys. He made this association in 1997 in his first book. Today, everybody seems to catch this connection and use it to substantiate their own theories.
We are on the edge of cosmic drama and the reason is dramatically simple: Our modern societies are desperately looking for a messiah, a contemporary one who is able to connect science with the intuitive sense of an underlying mystical reality. For some people this intuitive sense goes no further than superstition. Therein lies the problem as the Grey phenomenon is interpreted by many opinion leaders and whistleblowers as offering the very elements of science and superstition that they are looking for.
But it is Kerner’s view that the Greys are a mechanical messiah. They don’t have empathy. They don’t have soul. They are semi-organic robotic entities programmed with a goal to perpetuate themselves at all costs, struggling against physical decay through entropy. Yet with greatest irony the Greys could become the ideal solution for those looking for a mechanical and scientific solution to human problems.
This, says Kerner, puts us in great danger because these machine-based entities want to steal something that they cannot understand because they are machines. No matter how intelligent and sophisticated they are, the Greys are not of the same nature as human beings, they do not have natural origins, they are artificial creations. Thus they are lost in an infinite quest to understand the difference between us and them. That difference lies, according to Kerner, in a line of connection to that which he terms the ‘Godverse’. He calls that line of connection a ‘soul’ and suggests that the Greys are desperate to understand what ‘soul’ is because without it they have no capacity for eternal existence.
In this the second exclusive interview he has given to us, Kerner goes deeper into all those questions and offers a unique perspective on who we are, how we came to be and what we are heading for.
Nigel Kerner Interview
Kama One: Since the publication of your book « The Song of the Greys » in 1997, eleven years ago, did you collect some more elements showing that the Greys are predatory by nature and are devolving biological drones or robots? Or on the contrary, did you find some elements that show that they are not so predatory? Did you notice the existence of other extra-terrestrial beings and are they also predatory and representing a risk of manipulation of our consciousness and our culture (as for instance, the American forces represented a risk toward the natives of Papua New Guinea or the Spanish conquest were a risk toward the natives Indian)? Or, to the contrary, did you find elements showing that the intrusion of aliens of other species than the Greys could be positive for the development or the “galactic consciousness” of human beings?
Nigel Kerner: There has been no change in the nature of alien abduction as it has been reported since ‘The Song of the Greys’ was published. The alien beings that feature in almost all alien abductions are still the Greys themselves. Budd Hopkins whom I regard as a truly sincere and objective example of an investigator determined to get an accurate as possible an insight into the phenomenon says that all the cases he has dealt with have involved the Greys. Some of these cases have also involved taller more humanoid aliens, (in many cases a form described as a Nordic type). But the Greys feature in every one.
We are talking here about a huge phenomenon that has been reported by tens of thousands of people across the world from a wide range of different countries, cultures, religions etc. The Greys are a common feature of all of these reports and this is something to be taken very seriously in terms of an effect on humankind as a whole. The fact that the taller more humanoid alien type, the Nordic looking beings, and more rarely still a distinct reptilian form of being, seem to accompany the Greys, implies a common association of all these extraterrestrials. This is another feature worth considering. However, isolated reports of other species of alien visitors do not have the same significance as reports that share so many common features with other reports world-wide and for that reason we cannot be sure of their authenticity.
The negative and predatory nature of alien abduction is something I have no doubt about. I make this clear in my book ‘The Song of the Greys’ and I underline this fact very strongly in my new forthcoming book.
In 2003 Richard McNally, a professor of psychology at Harvard hypnotised six women and four men who claimed they had been victims of abduction. Under hypnosis, seven of the 10 reported having had their sperm or eggs extracted for breeding purposes, or experiencing direct sexual contact with the space aliens. Their reports were transcribed and then spoken onto an audio-tape in a neutral voice by the researchers.
The abductees then listened to these tapes and their emotional responses were recorded using physical measures such as heart rate and sweat on the palms of their hands. The same procedure was done with eight people haunted by traumatic experiences unrelated to abduction by aliens. The reactions of abductees were found to be “as great or greater than those of individuals who cannot shake memories of combat, sexual abuse, and other punishing events.” McNally also noted that: "People who sincerely believe they have been abducted by aliens show patterns of emotional and physiological response to these 'memories' that are strikingly similar to those of people who have been genuinely traumatized by combat or similar events." http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2003/02.20/01-alien.html
McNally is not a believer in the physically real authenticity of the abduction phenomenon, he believes it is of a delusional nature. However this is of no real importance as his results still serve to illustrate the traumatising effects of alien abduction for those who are convinced that it is indeed a phenomenon that is real.
It is beyond argument that all the procedures carried out by the Greys involve an element of force, from the point of kidnap onwards. Investigative medical procedures that are often extremely painful are conducted with the abductees held in a state of paralysis. The same is true of sexual practices that are performed on the abductees.
Thus I am entirely convinced that the alien phenomenon in the form it has been reported by first hand witnesses, is only negative and predatory when seen in terms of the life interests and broad philosophical treatise of our human species. To say that the Greys are deliberately cruel or sadistic towards us would imply that they are capable of some kind of moral or ethical codex, but if they are, as I believe them to be, programmed bio-mechanical machines, they would be incapable of any psycho-emotional sense. And this, from the vast majority of witness reports, seems to be patently so. I think Professor Jacobs and I can claim to be the most consistent writers on the UFO/alien phenomenon in maintaining this premise. I have looked as hard and objectively as I can for a reason to change my mind and I have to say that I cannot see this happening if reason is to be my arbitration point.
The behaviour of these Nordics, Reptilians and Greys suggests the complete lack of a conscience as we know such a thing to be. They would have to be simply following pre-set instructions that have been programmed into them, instructions within a dead-legged programme to preserve and look after the interests of both themselves and those who created them, at any cost in this universe. According to abduction accounts the taller humanoid aliens seem to be directing what the smaller Greys do. They thus seem to oversee the predatory ethos.
The Nordic, blonde blue-eyed types often seen and perceived with the Greys are the same deadly form that I believe made themselves known to the Nazis and were affirmed by Hitler himself to be the new kind of future man that the SS Nazi ideal would be based on. A blonde Nordic alien entity was present and was ‘shown’ to several of the Nazi hierarchy including Heidrich and Himler who were gathered secretly at the stone caves of Externsteine in 1936. I believe the so called ‘final solution’ to the Jewish question was an idea implanted here in the minds of these German Nazi parodies of human vermin. I believe there was a sensational reason why they did this. But more about that in my second and third book of the trilogy.
Another aspect of the Grey alien phenomenon that I’ve come across and deal with in my new book is a certain type of Near Death Experience that seems to resemble alien abduction. Those who have had these experiences are confused as to why they are so different to the beautiful ecstatic experiences that tend to characterize NDEs. They wonder why the environment they find themselves in is metallic and solid rather than the ephemeral ethereal world they expect. In studying these experiences and looking at them in the light of my other research I have come to the conclusion that the Greys are indeed waiting for some of their human experimental subjects at the point of physical death. I believe that the Greys can capture the soul fields of some individuals at the point that the field leaves the dead body and begins its entrance into the spaces between atoms (the tunnels seen in NDE’s).
At the very edges of atoms they lie in wait ready to use their technology to magnify force such that individual morphogenic electro-spatial fields (souls) are somehow caught and prevented from entering the status of existence beyond the physical matter based atomic Universe.
Karma One: Over the last few years more and more authors and whistleblowers have come to light with completely contradictory points of view about alien intrusion
-One side views them as dangerous and predatory (mostly the abductees)
-Another side views them as neutral, professional and without compassion or emotion (in the sense that we would see emotions). They say that the aliens consider us as just a species among other species and like owners of an African reserve who take care of lions, monkeys and elephants, they watch that the animals are not too many and will not destroy the reserve, the earth.
-A third part consider aliens –even the Greys- as benevolent, and even messianic. They consider them to be on the whole deeply benevolent even if a small minority could be evil. This third part, mostly represented by Steven Greer, seems to develop a metaphysical point of view about extraterrestrial intrusion. Greer seems to think that aliens are more advanced spiritually and that they are “superior, inter-dimensional and messianic beings” who will disclose themselves with a message of liberation or will even save us from an apocalypse?
What do you think about those movements and about these different viewpoints?
Nigel Kerner: It is easy for many people to see an alien extra-terrestrial resource on this planet as a new messianic force that is here as a great and wondrous boon to us all. I believe that this is utter folly.
Science now broadly views conventional religion as little more than a medieval sop to our comfort points and the conventional view of the spiritual God principle as an archaic stipend little more than wishful thinking that fortifies hope and moral and ethical platitudes towards social control of the masses. It is all of course understandable in the light of what the priests and lay administrators of religious invectives have done through the centuries. They have lied about, distorted and misinterpreted the entire spiritual God resource for millennia and in most cases this has been deliberate. They have made God into an anthropocentric principle little more than a glorified parent or Lord of the Manor, all with a view to enhancing their own authority, plaudits and ways of life.
I myself was not inclined towards belief in a spiritual and extra-sensory dominion over the matter of fact resources of a material Universe until I looked at the veracity of the UFO phenomenon. In doing this I began to understand with logic and reason that the Shakespearean adage: “There are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in our philosophy” is in fact a reverent truth. I began to see that the founding teachers of the great faiths had indeed grasped that there is a world beyond force and thus the atom, a world that verifies truth as nothing else does. The whole context of it all became clear in such a way that it could be realistically defined.
Those who believe that a purely matter resourced universe and anything that comes from it could be of any lasting meaning and value when set against any scale are in the greatest peril of losing their own reference of themselves and replacing it with a non-living, material reference. You can only know anything when it is set against the something of the self. Without this reference you are in the nihilism of Wittgenstein and Nietzsche and thus in the nondescript lunacy of a machine mind. You are a Grey. More terrifying than this, you don’t and can’t know this for yourself.
In his excellent paper discussing the ethical implications of the abduction phenomenon (http://www.ctlsoftware.co.uk/abductions.htm) Budd Hopkins discusses the fact that the aliens do not appear to intervene in any way to prevent human suffering in the world. Hopkins suggests that it might also be said that God does nothing to help either. However, in my view, there is a profound and crucial difference between these two possible sources of helpful intervention:
The aliens, as I have said, have shown themselves to be more than happy to intervene in human affairs and forcibly abduct and control their human targets. Intervention is thus, it seems, no problem for them when they wish to use it. However, for the central state of perfection and infinite freedom that we might term God, the entire scenario is very different.
As those who have read my first book will know, it is my contention that our existence in an imperfect physical universe is not the result of a creator God placing us in a state of imperfection and watching the fun. It is instead an expression of the perfect freedom that is implicate in the state of perfection that I call the Godverse, to know and experience all things, including the freedom to know what it is like to no longer be perfectly free. We are thus a product of our own free choices. Thus it is not the case that God will not intervene it is simply that the Godverse cannot intervene. The infinitely present ‘light’ of the Godverse can only be expressed into the universe to the extent that we allow it, we have to open the windows. Our will to do this is paramount. Once we have done so we can embody that light and act as agents of the Godverse. But the Godverse itself is an implicate state that cannot, by definition, intervene of itself.
Christ, Buddha, Mohammed and all the great teachers were physical embodiments of the light of the Godverse, as such they were able to use their free choices to help their fellow man. The Greys too are physical creatures and perhaps we should contrast their actions with those of these teachers. The Greys, as I have discussed, have shown that they can intervene and do intervene but only in a negative and forceful way. Thus Hopkins question is suitably addressed to them: Why do they not intervene to prevent human suffering? Why do their interventions cause suffering and pain rather than alleviate it?
As I have already discussed, it seems completely apparent that the alien beings witnessed thus far have shown themselves to be without concern for human pain or distress. However abductees do not report a sense of cruelty or sadistic pleasure from their abductors. Instead the aliens seem to be without any comprehension or understanding that the pain they inflict is in any way a problem. If they are indeed the robotic entities I believe them to be this would make sense because it is impossible to programme compassion and sympathy into a machine. These qualities are the hallmark of Godverse connected being. Natural living being.
If they are our Messiahs, our redeemers for the future, one has to ask the question: What kind of promised land are they leading us to?
Karma One: Do you believe that there is a risk of the development of a new religion with the extra-terrestrial intrusion phenomenon based on a biblical apocalyptic message or do you believe that the risk is not important at all? In this very peculiar time of crisis of many sorts (financial, climatic, energy, religion etc…) and the growing importance of the biblical and apocalyptic message (2012, the coming of Neberu, end of time scenario etc…), do you believe that the extra-terrestrials will play a voluntary role in it?
Nigel Kerner: Religions seem to form spontaneously wherever humankind salutes a need for them. The inherent insecurity that marks our day to day lives is all the signal it takes to make the most from the least. To make up a philosophy that will deny the effect of the SLOT (Second Law Of Thermodynamics) that takes our bodies apart each second we live. We are always seeking a way to find an assurance that will wipe away this insecurity. An insecurity that comes from this terrible power that rots us as we stand. We need to know that there is something that can counteract this. Something resistant to this inevitable process. Something that can change death into life. Loss into gain.
The whole thing for me affirms that we human beings have some ancient memory coded in us of a reality, a time, a place or a situation where all things were together in a wondrous form and available instantly to us. The loss of this prompts us to keep hope of transformation alive. We will seek any sign that might do this and turn this sign into a philosophy or procedure or system of belief that will give us hope from despair. It has its most powerful form when something goes against what is commonly accepted. They will for instance make a Buddha out of the boy who was found recently meditating under a tree in North India, (for many weeks, some claim months) without apparent interruption, for food, water or the expulsion of the natural waste products of his body. He will no doubt be made into an icon signalling some extreme expectation, because we all want things to be this goodly wondrous ideal.
The mysterious creatures and space-craft that define the UFO phenomenon will be an ideal candidate for deification in a world that is disillusioned with spiritualised religion . The Occidental world and its Euro-Caucasian people have been secularised with the hard materially based world of science and will seek a materially or atomically based final reality. They will deify the Greys and explain them as the new Messiahs. A non-spiritual variety of Messiah to take us to all things good if only we can understand them and give them a chance to do it. They will contrive all kinds of things and happenings and translate them in terms of what they will claim to be the real truth of things beyond the grasp of humankind.
In my new book I have tried to analyse all the indicators that mark belief systems both secular and spiritual and I have come to the simple, logical inescapable conclusion that nothing can be further from the truth. The UFO phenomenon is the greatest menace any natural living being can face in the entire Universe and signals the final denial and destruction of our species aided by a total misunderstanding and deliberate misreporting of what the spiritually religious message of all the great teachers really meant. The book has taken nearly six hundred pages and over 200,000 words to explain this, and so I will not try to do it with this answer, but I believe that when the finest minds take a look at all the evidence together they will see that what fundamentalist Christians call the ‘RAPTURE’ is really the ‘CAPTURE’. They will see that deadly grey four fingered hands are moving our planet and its leaders to bring about this capture. The capture and dispatch of billions of a certain genotype of specially genetically prepared humanity, Euro-Caucasian de-melanised humanity, for their purposes. Purposes that should send a chill through all human bones.
There is no doubt in my mind that the Greys and their hybrids are indeed the great Pretender prophesied in the Book of Revelation who will seem all things to all men because of the miracles he will perform. This false prophet has the power ‘to give life unto the image of the beast’. Is this perhaps a reference to the cloning procedures used by the Greys? Bio-chips inserted under the skin as tracking and monitoring devices are currently available for purchase. These may well be the ‘Mark of the Beast’ that the false prophet gives to human beings so that they cannot ‘buy’ or ‘sell’ without it. One of these devices is called: ‘Digital Angel,’ which is too ironic a title to be true, perhaps it is more than just irony and is actually the product of true digital robotic ‘angels’ who seemingly come down from the ‘heavens.’ Only those whose ‘names are not written in the book of life of the lamb slain from the foundation of the world’ are prophesied to worship the false prophet. Are these they who are so genetically intercepted that they can no longer clearly receive the Godverse which exists beyond the foundation of the world?
Whatever the verity of any particular prophecy it must be admitted that prophecies predicting the doom of civilisation have been continuous through the centuries and obviously none have come true. But the many other types of prophecies that have come true serve to illustrate the fragility of our existence as a species. The fact that the 2012 prophecy has come from several sources that are independent of each other might be taken to suggest its potential accuracy. There is also the possibility outlined in my new book that the Greys could use their technology to control the path of an asteroid such that it hits those parts of the world where there is a concentration of those who are not part of their experimental group and might interfere with those who are part of it.
Be this prophecy certain or uncertain, it brings us face to face with the prospect of death as an agent of sudden demise, of the ending of our physically conscious individuality. We are but a heartbeat away from the loss of all our expectations. Where next? The question must hit us from time to time whether we like to admit it or not. Do we prefer to go to death in ignorance of what it might be? Or do we wonder about the destiny of all our personal thoughts and all our experiences? It seems to me if we can all get an intelligently derived look at what might lie beyond the scales of physical life, then whatever it all might come to in the end, we would have a better format for adjusting more realistically to the day’s own troubles. If in the Russian roulette momentums of the universe an asteroid approaching us out of the sun without warning can take out our entire civilization and us with it at a stroke, what then the price to those of us who cherish our individuality?
But it is crucial to see that what people see as Armageddon is something that need not be an explosive and terrifying end of the world, but the beginning of a glorious enlightened new one. A new way of seeing the entire existential base not set on New Age concepts or Old Age tenets of ignorance based on the physically set derivatives of the days own troubles of medieval times. I believe that a completely new and grand insight taking in some of what science tells us now about the matter based transient atomic world and merging it with the everlasting psycho/spiritual abstract expression of the Godverse will bring us up to date with what the truth of it all might be. My research in as objective and logical a stance as I could make, has revealed an affirmation that a glorious final result is a certainty for some of us despite the effects of the SLOT that prevail in a matter and force based universe like ours.
There are many prophecies in the various religions and cultures across the world predicting a new beginning for mankind, the ‘new Heaven’ and ‘new Earth’ of the book of Revelation. For some reason only apocalyptic prophecies are given prominence by the world’s media and these more positive predictions are put on a back burner. I am not of course saying that the alien phenomenon might help to bring about a better situation for us all, far from it. I am instead saying that there is another input into all of this, an input from the Godverse. This Godly input automatically and implicitly counters all that humanity has to face from the Greys to the extent to which we have not in free will chosen what the Greys do to us.
Jesus Christ was, I believe, part of that compensation. His legacy to us in word and deed provided us with an antidote to their interceptions that is best summed up in his suggestion to Judas to ‘think with the heart.’ In my new book I suggest Christ also left another legacy, a biological legacy, a line of descendants free from alien genetic interception that could cleanse humanity from Grey pollution. In the book I offer evidence from the Gospel of Judas, from other Gnostic texts and from the canonical Book of Revelation itself to substantiate this revolutionary idea.
That which comes to us from the Godverse comes only through natural means, not through technology and space travel. Thus messiahs are born from wombs, they do not arrive in spaceships!
Karma One: Besides the disclosure of the extra-terrestrial phenomenon through testimonies of military whistleblowers and victims of abductions, do you believe that a deep analysis of our gene pool and its successive mutations can show that it has been manipulated by an advanced engineering project developed by extra-terrestrial beings, like the ones described in the Sumerian tablets? What are the objective elements that we can’t miss showing that the human genome was the result of a scientific manipulation? Have you found some elements showing that this manipulation, this project, was and still is malevolent and that the full potential of human beings is lacking or diminished as a consequence?
Nigel Kerner: Yes there is indeed evidence within the human genome of such interception. Trinucleotide repeats are an obvious example. Trinucleotide repeats are distinct from normal DNA because of their repetitive codes, the same triplet code is repeated again and again (i.e. ctgctgctg, or cggcggcgg). In the same way a clone is characterised by repeat codes, it is formed from a master cell which copies and recopies itself to create a complete body. I suggest that trinucleotide repeats could be part of their attempt to convert us into their format.
Interestingly, trinucleotide DNA can form unusual molecular structures which allow two entwined strands of the DNA double helix to slip, against each other, leaving loose ends to which the enzyme will add extra DNA bases. If it was the intention of the aliens to re-order DNA for their own purposes and in this way to reorganise parts of the human genome, then they would have required just such a device by which they could splice DNA in and out.
The diseases affected by trinucleotide repeats seem to be those that affect particularly the nervous system. In my books I have suggested that we think with the entire nervous system, not just the brain. These purely physical alien beings are unable to detect the non-physical nature of thought so perhaps they targeted the nervous system as the supposed hub of thought and thinking. It could be their attempt to introduce their own ‘blueprint’ into the genes which code for the nervous system of human beings to see if they could trace a path from there to the missing ingredient that makes us different from them.
There appears to be a threshold level of trinucleotide repeats which then leads to disease. Perhaps once these interceptions reach a certain number it is no longer possible for these strains to be resisted and dominated. Unlike classical hereditary genetic diseases, there is no specific mutated gene, or genes, responsible for these diseases, they are the result of repeating codes. I suggest that these repeats impinge on genes which are a natural expression of the human species.
Many abductees have reported that sperm and egg cells are removed for examination and experimentation by the alien beings. In fact, medical examinations on several women who have claimed abduction have revealed that all the ova have mysteriously disappeared from their ovaries. The expansion of trinucleotide DNA actually occurs in these earliest stages of embryonic development.
Mitochondrial DNA is, I believe, another artefact of alien genetic interception. Unlike other DNA it clones itself in reproduction instead of recombining. Most biologists believe that mitochondria are the direct descendants of bacteria that entered primitive nucleated cells in a number of infections. Among billions of such infective events they speculate that a few could have led to the development of stable, symbiotic associations between nucleated hosts and bacterial parasites. The classes of “bacteria” that took part in these “infections” have not yet been established.
Could these “bacteria”, simply be the invading genetic elements introduced into the hominid genome by alien being via a series of “infections” until eventually they were accepted and absorbed? Not only does mitochondria have its own 37 genes that are independent of the main nuclear DNA of the cell but also there is a proportion of mitochondrial DNA that is not in any way involved in functions which benefit the cell. Thus, it is to a certain extent, an organelle that is independent of the cell and independent of the cell’s own genetic information contained within the nucleus.
Unlike other DNA, mitochondrial DNA happens to have a distinctive circular structure. Circular DNA has been used in research to inject DNA pieces into cells because it has no sticky ends and thus does not get caught and mixed with the rest of the cell. Thus, it is extremely plausible that the alien beings could have used this circular structure to conceal the 37 genes of mitochondrial DNA. This concealment allows these genes to replicate under their own steam and thus maintain their independence from the human organism while at the same time existing within it. This symbiotic relationship which human cells have with mitochondrial DNA allows the mitochondrial DNA enough independence from the human organism for it to be able to act as a conduit through which information from the alien beings, who inserted this DNA, can pass. As I say in my first book, it is almost as though they have left a keyhole in human cells into which their key will fit, such that they can open the genetic information contained within the cell and manipulate it as they wish.
Using mitochondrial DNA as a marker scientists have convincingly shown that the origins of all mankind were in Africa approximately 200,000 years ago. If, as I contend in my books, Neanderthal man was un-intercepted by alien beings until a more recent time is it possible that until that point of interception Neanderthal man had no mitochondrial DNA? His body might have employed other cellular mechanisms to provide for the functions which mitochondrial DNA now perform.
Bacterial DNA is already widely used to code for artificial protein with great success. If, as I suggest, the presence of mitochondrial DNA in cells was the result of bacteria entering primitive nucleated cells in a number of 'infections', then is it not possible that the alien beings may themselves have used bacterial DNA in this way? They could have encoded it with genes artificially engineered by them to enter into the biology of living organisms on this planet. If scientists with our level of technology can achieve such success in genetically engineering bacterial proteins then the scope for such genetic manipulation by alien beings with their highly ascendant technology, must be enormous.
More evidence for alien genetic interception can be found in the “jumping gene” known as the ‘Alu’. Amongst the so-called junk DNA that forms the majority of the human genome the Alu is a 283 nucleotide sequence that from time to time seems to insert copies of itself into the genome. Over the past 30-60 million years these insertions have occurred repeatedly leaving roughly a million copies of Alu scattered through the human genome and making up almost 10% of all the DNA in each cell. Perhaps these million or so ALUS are in fact deliberate genetic interceptions of which only a certain number actually took and married into the functioning DNA of human beings as it seems that very few Alus actually affect genes that code for proteins.
As I have mentioned in my book, there is a remarkable story of the alien genetic interception of a particular group of people in the Old Testament of the Bible. This is exemplified in what by most standards would be seen as a bizarre story of God seeking to “slay” Moses’ son: “And it came to pass by the way in the inn that the Lord met him and sought to kill him. Then Zipporah took a sharp stone and cut off the foreskin of her son and cast it at his feet and said, surely a bloody husband thou art because of the circumcision.” (Exodus 5:24-26) In this account it seems that Zipporah, Moses’ wife, offers God the foreskin of her son, and thus information as to his genetic structure, in place of his life. When Zipporah offers the foreskin, “God” lets her son go. Can it be possible that such a ludicrous course of action by a supposed “God” could have been deemed acceptable and worthy by so many people for so long? If the “God” to which this account refers is not an alien clone being seeking genetic programmes to intercept humanity, then what is he? In “Song of the Greys” I suggest that the initial command for the children of Israel to circumcise their sons could have been a means for alien being to monitor the genetic information of their “chosen people.” In other words, maybe the foreskins were taken by these beings and studied. The fact that this remarkable story about Moses and so many other incongruities within the Old Testament can have been meekly accepted by so many people, for so long, is surely an indication of the vast extent to which the Greys have succeeded in so programming their chosen subjects, that they are blind to even the simplest logical connections that would expose their programmers for what they truly are.
The instructions in the book of Leviticus as to who may, or may not, approach the altar are also very interesting. No one of any physical blemish is permitted to approach the altar, so that they will “profane not my sanctuaries: for I the lord do sanctify them.”Could the Ark of the Covenant and the altar within it were in fact have been mechanisms through which alien being could view human subjects who might be suitable for interception. Hence only those without physical defect and therefore with the likelihood of a genetic structure more free of the mutations that lead to physical weakness or infirmity, were allowed to approach the altar.
The prophet Ezekiel’s visions have by many people been taken to be visions or sightings of spacecraft. If Ezekiel was also visited by alien beings it would certainly account for his strange encounter with “God” in a valley which was full of bones. In this encounter God asks Ezekiel if these dry bones could live, he then assembles them into complete bodies and covers them with flesh. After he brings them to life they stand “up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.”God then tells Ezekiel that these bones are “the whole house of Israel” and he tells him to promise the people of Israel that “I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel......And shall put my spirit in you and ye shall live and I shall place you in your own land.
“God” is thus involved in bringing to life soulless dead flesh, what kind of “life” is he therefore promising for the children of Israel, the physical immortality of Clone being perhaps? How reminiscent this is of the Egyptian process of mummification, a process which ancient Egyptians believed essential to preserve the physical body for the after-life. The Semitic peoples truly seem to be receivers of the same “God”.
In the recently discovered ‘Gospel of Judas’ Judas relates to Jesus a dream of a house surrounded by “great people.” In his dream Judas asks to be let into this house. Jesus replies to Judas that: “Judas, your star has led you astray.…No person of mortal birth is worthy to enter the house you have seen, for that place is reserved for the holy. Neither the sun nor the moon will rule there, nor the day, but the holy will abide there always, in the eternal realm with the holy angels. Look, I have explained to you the mysteries of the kingdom and I have taught you about the error of the stars.”This prompts Judas to ask Jesus: “Master, could it be that my seed is under the control of the rulers?” Could he be asking Christ directly if his own biological line could be alien controlled, “ruled over” by a “host of angels of the stars?”
As I have explained in my first book, it is my opinion based on a good look at all the evidence available, that humankind now is a product of an evolutionary procedure out of a natural overall devolutionary Universal scale in line with the Second Law Of Thermodynamics, (I call this the S.L.O.T.) We are neither the products of a divine Creator nor even the projects of an intelligent designer. We are not the results of evolutionary processes. Instead we are the subjects of the process that I have called ‘devolution.’ We are now pale shadows of the glory we once were, we have devolved to a gross, physical restricted state from a lighter, more ephemeral state of far greater freedom and knowledge. Humanity as a species is now an amalgamation of a series of quantum devolutionary steps. In the distant past we were insubstantial beings unrestricted by the confines of a substantial physical body. We communicated directly via thought with no need for physical sensory apparatus to interact with each other or our environment. We then devolved from this insubstantial state of ‘light’ being to more and more substantial states, from ‘light being’ to ‘hydrogen being’ (a gaseous state) and then on to ‘water being’. Our bodies are now primarily composed of water along with other heavier elements. I believe that many of these trace elements, especially the metallic ones, would not be in the human body were it not for alien genetic interception. They are metalizing us to bridge us into their formats.
Just as quantum physics points to a background to all existent states that is full of infinite possibilities, I point to that same state which I call the ‘Godverse’. This is a state of perfect potentiality, perfect freedom to achieve all options including the option to explore the possibility of imperfection. It is my argument that our existence in this physical universe is a result of our choice to explore this possibility. Most being that came into the physical universe from the Godverse immediately returned but some, including us became trapped, caught in the chaotic momentums of a physical universe subject to the momentum of the second law of thermodynamics, or entropy, into greater and greater states of randomness and disorder.
I believe that all naturally living things are originally implicit products of this incidental and tacit creationism that happens automatically out of the dynamic between two primarily opposed existential polarities: Godhead and Force-head. This continual interaction produces universes like ours that become more and more material and atomically chaotic and disordered with time. In fact as we now know, it all happens to no meaningful point at all. It dismantles to an absolutely cold dead nothingness. A nothingness that is eventually congruent with Force-head. It must be said however that although this is the underlying momentum in a physical universe the opposite momentum for greater states of order and cohesion also exists. This is an expression of the implicit presence of the Godverse as an infinite state within all finite states, including the universe. Thus free will is the arbitrator between the two opposing momentums – the drive to union and the drive to chaos.
The Greys and the other alien entities that have been witnessed do not have a natural track of descent from the Godverse. They are a secondary creation created for reasons which I explain at length in my books but involve too lengthy an explanation for this interview. They are looking for something which will allow them to survive in an entropic universe and not break down. It is my contention that they are looking for the one thing that we have and they do not – a line of connection to the eternality of the Godverse, in other words a soul. They can never of course get hold of this elusive factor as it is not physical but as they do not understand the non-physical they cannot understand this. Thus their entire agenda with humanity is a means to this end, a means by which they believe they will replace their temporary existence with an eternal existence.
For this reason they are trying to bridge themselves into us. Introducing their programmes into us so that those programmes can exist in something that has a capacity for eternal survival.
I define a ‘soul’ as a line of connection to the Godverse. It is a line of connection that has become twisted and distorted somewhat the longer we remain in an entropic universe and devolve to its dictates but it is nevertheless a track to a state of perfect freedom and knowledge. The 95% of our DNA that does not code for proteins, the junk DNA previously referred to, is a reflection of our full potential that now lies untapped. What I am saying is that in the ancient past we used 100% of our DNA and now we can only access 5%. Scientists have not been able to understand why our genetic processes go to the trouble of replicating such huge amounts of useless DNA. The very fact that such DNA is replicated is a huge counter to an evolutionary interpretation of human history. Why would we have ‘evolved’ so much useless material? Is it not far more likely that so-called ‘junk DNA’ is actually a living fossil of our past reflecting the fact that as we devolve we slowly lose touch with our full potential?
If this is true than we are out of touch and therefore out of control of 95% of our genetic prospectus. This 95% could well form an ongoing laboratory setting for alien interference as we cannot control it ourselves, our hand is not in 95% of the glove so to speak. So trinucleotide repeats, alus and many other artefacts of junk DNA may well be their handiwork.
Karma One: In your book “The Song of the Greys”, you stress that human beings, in fact the Nordic line (Cro Magnon line), was biologically engineered with a manipulation of DNA by the Greys to become more aggressive and be able to neutralise and eradicate the other human “racial” projects such as the “Black people” or the “natives” and aboriginal ethnic groups? Do you believe that this human project was designed by the extra-terrestrial to be a killing and destructive machine?
Nigel Kerner: I do not believe the Cro-Magnon line was deliberately designed with a primary purpose to serve as the foot soldiers of the Greys. It is my hypothesis that the pigment melanin is a natural barrier to their technology and for that reason they sought to breed a genotype of humanity without that barrier. Once they had such a genotype they were freer to genetically engineer its DNA to their own patterns.
It is also my theory, and I elaborate on this in my new book, that DNA is a physical translation of our line of connection to Godhead. If that line is interrupted by alien patterns we cannot receive information from the Godverse properly. If, as I maintain, the human body is an aerial for the reception of signals from the Godverse then alien interception would detune this aerial. As a consequence we would begin to lose awareness of the state of union that is the Godverse. We would lose the ultimate reference, the balancing point that gives rise to conscience. Conscience is a measure of thought and thinking when it is set against this ultimate reference. In Godhead we were in a state of union with each other, we were not separate individualised being. Thus an implicit sense of union comes from the Godverse and we translate this into human features of it such as compassion, sympathy and empathy. Once we lose this sense the signals of self protection to survive in a physical universe take over and we are motivated to do whatever it takes to protect our own individualities without conscience as to how this might affect others. This is the origin of the impetus we call violence and as such violence is a natural result of the loss of the sight of the Godverse, in other words, a loss of what we commonly call ‘conscience.’ In the case of Cro-Magnon man this loss was precipitated by alien genetic interception.
Violence is thus not a quality given to us by the Greys it is instead the incidental result of the loss of insight that their genetic interception has brought about. The Greys themselves are not violent, they are emotionless robotic beings. Their intrusive procedures are no more cruel or violent than a gun is cruel or violent when it shoots someone.
The prejudice and consequential violence of the white Euro-Caucasian (Cro-magnon) types throughout history towards the darker skinned people of the earth has several causes. This inherent evil in the make-up of so many pale complexioned humans towards the more melanised of their kind, is almost an instant psycho-emotional response with many. Its strength and consequences on the body of humankind has been the root cause of the greatest wickedness practised by humanity on humanity over the centuries. I believe the root cause of this colour based bias is set on the same principle that animals have to follow to survive in the conscience-less animal kingdom. They have to quickly recognise visual differences in order to identify threat.
On top of this I believe that the Greys have built into the programme they have inserted into this particular genotype, (I am referring to the Euro-Caucasians when I say this) a necessity to keep itself separate and undiluted by other gene pools. A further addition to this recipe for racial bigotry is the fact that some of the higher melanised groups have proved themselves impervious and resistant to alien interception and the Greys may be motivated to instigate their primary servers amongst ‘de-melanised’ humanity to cull these groups.
I use the word ‘de-melanised’ advisedly. In ‘Song of the Greys’ I explain that the ‘mark’ given to Cain in the story of Cain and Abel may well be based on the fact that the archetypal Cain was probably a genetic alteration. An albino form produced so that further genetically engineered alteration was more easily achieved as time went on. It is very strange that the so-called God’s punishment of Cain for killing Abel by was merely banishment. Banishment with the proviso that no one harmed Cain in any way. A strange instruction from a god who invented the axiom, ‘an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth’. If however this God was ‘Captain Alien’ and was supervising a genetic engineering exercise, this instruction would ensure the preservation of their ‘format’ beings nicely, if you see what I mean. The ‘format’ would be needed for a breeding programme. A breeding programme for a marque of humanity with a killer instinct and all the other follow-on instincts such as implicit belligerence and tacit aggression, intact. Very useful personality and instinctive appendages for a geno-type with survival as a high pre-requisite.
Why then is melanin a barrier to alien reach?
Professor of Biology at the University of London Steve Jones suggests that the colour change from dark skin to fair skin, that is said to have taken place when the migration out of Africa brought human beings to Europe, does not necessarily make sense when seen in terms of biological advantage. It is accepted generally that this change was due to the fact that a fair (or, in other words, transparent) skin would absorb more of the meagre levels of ultra-violet light available in Northern climes. The absorption of ultra-violet light is necessary, we are told, to aid in the production of vitamin D, vital for the production of strong bones and teeth. Steve Jones says that, "although the idea of rickets as the driving force behind the evolution of skin colour is attractive, melanin was probably not lost because of changes in vitamin balance." He points out that "rickets is a disease of civilisation", a disease which only became common as cities grew in the Middle Ages. Even blacks only need two hours a week of sunlight to stay healthy."At first sight," says Professor Jones, "evolution has got it wrong. If humans followed the rules that apply to other animals, who have been a lot longer on the real estate, Europeans ought to be black and Africans white," simply because dark objects absorb more of the sun’s light and heat. However, it is also true that blacks are able to sweat more than whites and, says Jones, this, "more than compensates for the effects of skin colour." There are also the obvious advantages of a dark skin in the tropics which lie in its ability to protect the skin from the harmful effects of high levels of ultra-violet light. So the advantages of a fair skin, no matter what the climate, are difficult to find in evolutionary terms. However, in terms of an aid to an easy and efficient alien interception of the human genome, the advantages are, I believe, enormous.
In almost all reports of alien contact some kind of light is described as a means they use to move, intercept, and induce, all kinds of procedures. It seems to be crucial as a means, even a mechanism, of reaching and interacting with our species. Melanin, as a dark pigment, absorbs light. Individuals who have a darker skin surface also have “supra-nuclear melanin caps” surrounding the nucleus of their cells. DNA that is contained in the cell nucleus is therefore protected by these melanin granules from any alien engendered effect that is expressed through the way they use light.
Encounters with alien beings or craft have been demonstrated to take place with by far the greatest frequency at locations where there are particularly high electro-magnetic fields (power stations, military bases etc.) High electro-magnetic fields also seem to be put out by the alien craft themselves, often causing widespread power failures in the areas in which they appear. Melanin has been found to have a capacity to conduct electric fields. The conducting properties of melanin would allow it to act like a Faraday cage, conducting electric fields away from the nucleus of the cell and thus preventing alien procedures from reaching the DNA in the nucleus. If high electro-magnetic fields are a vehicle through which these aliens can reach humanity, then it may indeed be the case that dark-skinned people have a natural barrier to that reach.
Jacqueline Barton's group at the California Institute of Technology and her colleagues have suggested that DNA itself is a conducting molecular wire. According to Cees Dekker (Department of Applied Physics and DIMES, Delft University: “The unique assembly properties of DNA together with its unparalleled recognition, optical characteristics, stability and adaptability suggest that DNA may become one of the most important species in the general area of molecular electronics.” http:// physicsworld.com/cws/article/print/60
Barton’s group measured the fluorescence produced by an excited molecule and found that it no longer emitted light when attached to a DNA molecule. Their results suggested that this "fluorescence quenching" was due to the charge on the excited donor molecule leaking along the length of the DNA to a nearby acceptor molecule. In other words, they suggested that DNA was a conducting molecular wire. If this is the case then alien genetic interception through the use of both light and electric fields to manipulate DNA with its electrically conductive and light absorbing properties will be easily achieved in those who do not have melanin protection.
Interestingly, initial findings reported in an article in the Journal of Investigative Dermatology suggest that the aggregation of melanin in supranuclear caps over the nucleus of the cell seems to be specific to human cells: “In pigmented animals, however, the existence of supranuclear melanin caps has not been clear.” Could this point to the possibility that ‘supranuclear caps’ protecting the nuclear DNA from external effect may be a feature that is determined by the close connection of the soul to the Godverse. The descendants of modern Homo Sapiens Sapiens were all highly melanised, lack of melanin is thus a relatively recent mutation. If the notorious mark of Cain mentioned in the Bible indeed refers to a fair complexion then this “mark”may be disadvantageous to humanity but a distinct advantage to an alien interceptor hell bent on changing human DNA to suit their purposes.
So, in summary: Ultra-violet light is used to get through the nuclear membrane and splice chromosomes for genetic manipulation. Melanin will absorb this light and inhibit the action of genetic manipulation. For humans with dark complexions and melanin granules surrounding the nuclear membrane, it will be harder to manipulate the DNA in the chromosomes. People with fair complexions on the other hand have no such protection because they lack this melanin shield.
It is an interesting fact that the vast majority of alien abductees come from the Europiform genus of hominid. The most direct descendants of Cro-Magnon man. It is also true that there are no UFO hotspots anywhere in mainland Africa or Asia with the exception of China and Japan and most of the sightings in China have taken place in the last fifteen or so years. The vast majority by far are where the descendants of Cro-Magnon man live presently. North America and Europe.
Professor David Jacobs interviewed a female abductee who described how she was shown a hybrid baby and asked to hold it and hug it. Jacobs asked her about the skin colour of the baby: “Does it have light skin or dark skin, within the Caucasian range?” Her answer was: “Fair. Quite fair. I think it is very fair, as a matter of fact. Almost like no ultra-violet light for this guy.” This seems to be the norm for most of the hybrids witnessed and is epitomised in the blonde, blue-eyed “Nordic” type of alien that are witnessed by many abductees.
It has been reported that Hitler had an alien encounter in which he was shown the blonde, blue eyed ideal that he later sought to emulate in his notions of ‘Aryan’ purity.
There is also an account in the pseudepigraphal book of Enoch indicating that Noah may too have been an albino with flesh “as white as snow and red as a rose” and hair “white like wool.” It seems that Noah not only lacked in melanin but also seemed not to be “human.” His father Lamech says that he resembled “the offspring of the angels of heaven,” and “is of a different nature to ours.” So it would appear that he was some form of hybrid. The unusual nature of this child was so marked that his father was “afraid” of him. This could lend a whole new meaning to the story of Noah and his “Ark.” Could the Ark and its animals representing all the species on the planet, describe an alien sponsored genetic experiment? Did they for their own reasons wish to clear the Earth of all previous experiments and preserve this one to work on in isolation? If so did they cause the deluge that led to the great flood? Or, if the deluge was a natural phenomenon, perhaps caused by a comet or meteorite hitting the planet, did they choose to protect their ongoing project with the Earth’s species? These are interesting questions that I will leave up in the air for now. They will form a chapter in the third book of my trilogy.
Karma One: If your future readers need to remember something about your work and your future book, what will be the main message of this coming book? Did you find new information about extraterrestrial intrusion that reshape your vision and perception of the problem?
Nigel Kerner: I am no teacher nor do I ever want to seem one. I really don’t want to preach to anyone or provide the world with new meanings and perspectives. But I do have a right to an opinion and the right as anyone does to state mine freely. It is so easy to let this thing get out of hand and set yourself up as some kind of Guru about it all. It is also all too easy to make it all into some kind of money spinning venture. I really don’t need to do either and I keep myself as much out of the limelight as I can. Never going on lecture tours and never making a public spectacle of myself. I loathe the status of celebrity. It is mostly for the vainglorious. The discovered information is all that matters. Not who makes it. But the information you uncover when you investigate the UFO phenomenon is so spectacularly compelling and so stunningly important to every single human being on the earth, you really have no choice but to try and set it before the entire human quantum, because that quantum’s entire scope for survival depends on everyone knowing all there is to know about the phenomenon.
In the end the only thing of any value I can leave my children is the discovery of what might be true. That is what I owe them for taking it upon myself to bring them into this deadly Universe in their present form. Children are all that matter. All children everywhere. They are the most special of things. The points upon which all change pivots.
Let me say that chasing the answers to the UFO mystery and what they might mean to us all has been a transformative experience for me. I would never have believed all I have discovered if it was told me by someone else. It is for each individual to do personally. The thunderclap of significance to each of our lives of an extra-terrestrial indent reaches I believe beyond the grave. I think now I have a much better grasp of the entire existential scale. It has been arrived at through objective reason and logic. Not through the claims and promises of religious and science teachers and others. The most important thing I have discovered is that all living being capable of making choices can transform themselves. We are all individually so precious. The crucial thing is to retain the capacity to think and make choices with reason. That is the final power it seems.
Your last question is simply answered. In my new book I have tried to make clear that one thing in this world is more important in verifying all I have said about the UFO phenomenon than anything else. A souvenir left on a piece of cloth about 2000 years ago will point the way to it. That piece of cloth is the ‘SHROUD OF TURIN’. The Christians will claim it is their right to proclaim their truth. But this piece of cloth has nothing to do with the Christianity that we all know now. Their churches have made a mockery of the wondrous being that made this marvellous thing happen. They have done it with their lies and hypocrisy through the centuries, with their golden costumes, Pope mobiles, Cardinal Cadillacs and Vatican vaults full of enough treasures to wipe out poverty from the face of the Earth if they were to sell them and so chose to do.
If we understand the Shroud and what it stands for we need not fear the machinations of any extra-terrestrial entity anywhere in this Universe no matter how intelligent they are or how superior their technology might be to ours. I am not implying by that, that Jesus Christ was some kind of extra terrestrial that came to us in a UFO. Far from it. I believe he came to warn us about those that do. The trouble is that the same evil that has gripped the politico/religious sense of some people for millennia might also play politics with the Shroud and all it means to our species. These scoundrels might destroy the one thing that gives us all a clue to the final truths that underlie our existence. It to me is the single most crucial artefact in the entire 15,000 year history of our present civilisation. It stands as the most terrifying indictment of both Christians and Jews alike. It stands at the very centre of the UFO phenomenon. I have been privileged to receive the latest information on the search for the veracity of the image on the cloth. Some of it is not made available or easily accessible to the public at large. In my book ‘Song of the Greys’ (published in 1997) I asserted that the relic will prove to be genuine and that the date placing it as a 14th century artefact would prove to be wrong. It is being re-examined again by the same Oxford Radiocarbon dating lab because other historically affirmable information about it makes this 14th century date now untenable. It has to be at least 700 years older than the controversial radiocarbon date. Other bits of evidence point powerfully to the fact that the cloth had to have been in Jerusalem or its surroundings 2000 years ago. My second book makes it all clear revealing an explosive conclusion to it all.
The book is called 'Grey Aliens and the Harvesting of Souls' and will be published by Bear & Company/Inner Traditions in January 2010.
© Interview Karma One - Karmapolis - June 2009